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Founding Faith

20 Tuesday May 2008

Posted by Sherry in American History, Book Reviews, Church/State, Founding Fathers, History, religion, Uncategorized

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Random House sent me a copy of Steven Waldman’s new book, Founding Faith: Providence, Politics, and the Birth of Religious Freedom in America. It is with great pleasure that I review it today.

A great debate is now going on in America, at least among a segment of the populous. Are we a Christian nation or not? Plenty have weighed in on the issue, but most have a decided stake in the outcome, thus their objectivity is suspect. Steven Waldmanbrings a fresh and appealing objectivity to this discussion and his answers are surprising for both sides. Of course the answer to the question is yes…..and no.

In order to accomplish his task, Mr. Waldman looks deeply at five of our most famous founding fathers, Washington, Jefferson, John Adams, Franklin and Madison.  He examines the lives and writings of these five during the crucial years of revolution and beyond to the Constitutional Convention. Moreover he examines the colonies themselves and explains the types of governments that were set up and how religion played its part.

Basically the argument goes thusly today. The left claims that the founders were deists who were clear about separating church and state. The right points to innumerable documents, all, nicely containing words of faith, and thus concludes that it was a given that the newly formed country was based deliberated on Christian principles. Both are somewhat right, both somewhat wrong, according to Waldman.

Jefferson was arguably a Deist, but not much of one. He revised the bible to remove the miracle stories and felt most religions mucked up Jesus’ message. Most of the rest were firm believers and believed that God actively intervened in human affairs. Franklin might have has some polytheistic tendencies but they seemed to fade as he aged. Washington commonly wrote that divine providence guided the fortunes of the fledgling nation. Adams was perhaps the most orthodox and this caused great strain between himself and Jefferson for many years, though in later years they became fast friends. Madison probably had the most to say, and saw the conflict between government and religion most clearly, and thought religion would thrive as long as government couldn’t intrude.

What Waldman points out so very well is that that the resultant Constitution and its important Bill of Rights were a direct result of the experiences of the colonies with religion in their respective states. In nearly all the colonies a church/state system was initially devised. But in every case, only one religion was allowed to prosper. In the northern colonies it was Puritanism, and in the southern ones, Anglicanism. Catholics, Jews, Quakers, and later Baptists and Lutherans were ejected, jailed, tried, and sometimes executed. They were denied the right to own property, the right to vote, or to hold office. Some states were better than others, but religious intolerance was the name of the game.

Amazing as it may seem, the leaders in the cause of “primacy of conscience” were the Baptists, a new sect in that time and one that faced a good deal of persecution. Nearly sixty were jailed in Virginia alone during the time up to the  end of the revolution. It was here that many of the founding fathers saw first hand how terribly wrong religion could go if supported by the state.

Waldman points out that the Constitutional Convention saw the first truly interfaith dialogue WI participants from most of the Christian faiths meeting to hammer out a document all could live with. As one meanders through the documents and compromising language that was traded back and forth, men (yes all men) began to see that these “others” had valuable ideas to submit. They all realized they had similar concerns. Some like Jefferson saw organized religion as most inhibiting true spirituality. Others like Madison saw religion as hampered when the State intervened. Adams agreed, seeing that good religion like good ideas came out of the marketplace of ideas, not the pulpit.

The country, as time progressed and people moved out of the original colonies saw a decrease in church attendance. New sects were formulating on the frontier. Increasingly the representatives to the convention saw that religious liberty was the key to be pursued. It became known as “primacy of conscience,” and at least some of the early drafts contained that phrase.

There are wonderful stories about the various founding fathers in Mr. Waldman’s book. We learn of Washington’s banning his troops from  burning the pope in effigy as was commonplace once a year. We learn of Franklin’s business savvy in promoting Whitefield, head of the “;New Awakening” in his newspapers as “;good for business.” Jefferson is seems has a fairly abiding dislike for Papists and Jews, yet he thought of himself as “freeing” Jesus from the constraints of reglious dogma in his editing of the Bible and thus creating what we have come to regard as the “Jefferson bible.”

Adams too, detested Catholics, and was perhaps the most outspoken proponent of religion, yet he rejected a good deal of Puritan dogma and became a Unitarian in the end. Mostly he depended on religion as the most rational means of instilling morality in people and keeping their baser tendencies in check.  Madison concluded in the end that the best way to preserve Christianity was to protect it from the State, and his experiences in Virginia taught him that religious tolerance was both essential and prudential.

A real concern during the Revolutionary era was that England would send bishops to the new colonies and enforce an Anglican agenda upon them. This carried a great deal of weight for people like Adams who came from Puritan roots. He did much to foment the claim that Catholics in Quebec were about to assist the English in suppressing the rebellion. Religion did play its part in the revolution let there no doubt.

What few recall or know, is that this prohibition of establishment of religion did not initially apply to the states. Madison wanted desperately that it would, but he compromised that out of the initial document. He has wanted the Bill of Rights to apply equally to the states, which it did not until after the 14th amendment was passed after the Civil War. This amendment and its subsequent interpretation effectively negated the debate about what the founding fathers might have wanted. It definitively stated that whatever they believed or desired, religious freedom was now the choice for all America.

Mr. Waldman comes down to a conclusion that I think is quite supported by the evidence:

America was settled to be a Christian nation. To be more precise, it was settled to be a Protestant nation. Inhabitants of most colonies prior to the Revolution were not interested in religious pluralism or tolerance. They wanted society based on Protestant principles, with a strong mingling of church and state and vigilant antagonism toward Catholicism. Almost all of the colonies tried some variant of state-supported religion, and every one of those experiments failed. Perhaps the most important flare-ups of persecution came in a few Virginia counties, where they were witnessed by a thoroughly disgusted young James Madison. He and several other Founders looked at the wreckage of these experiments and concluded that official state religions led to oppression of minority religions and lethargy among the majority religions. [1]

In conclusion, I would first state that I found the arguments well supported. I found the main claims of Mr. Waldman enlightening. I certainly had been more convinced that most of the founders were deists and in this I was incorrect as I now see it. I had no idea, actually that the states were replete with official state religions either. So I learned a great deal.

I find his writing easy to read, and his organization well thought out, with a nice progression of proofs. About the only quibble I would have, and I am not sure it is valid is this: I have read extensively on the internet at least about this issue. It is not my understanding that the left has attempted nearly so much as the right to put fortha view using a lot  of twisted and out of context “proofs.” In other words, I think the ones who are most guilty of attempting to distort the truth are those on the right. While undoubtedly some on the left through unacceptable over zealousness have deliberately distorted facts to fit their theory, I have not found nearly the proof of that as I have as regards the right. Mr. Waldman seems to treat the two as equally wrong, and I see it as a bit more lopsided than that.

I highly recommend this book and actually think it would be well used as a text in schools and certainly universities. It does a fine job I believe of setting the record straight.

[1] p. 194

 

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High Fallutin’ Notions

20 Tuesday May 2008

Posted by Sherry in 1st Amendment, Abstinence, American History, Casseroles, Church/State, Constitution, Cookies, Creationism, Current Issues, Desserts, Election 2008, fundamentalism, Gardening, GOP, History, Human Biology, Immigration, Iowa, Iraq, Italian, John McCain, Media, Native American, Presidents, Recipes, religion, Reproductive Rights, Salads, science, War/Military, Weeds, Zoology

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Called, “Street, Dresden,” this painting was done by Ernst Ludwig Kirchner in 1908. It was undated by the painter in 1919. It is from MoMA.

On the home front, things continue with house cleaning quite well. I have all the cabinets and drawers done but for a small thin one on the other side of the stove which I use to store pot lids and cooling racks mostly. I’ve really reduced a lot of clutter in all the cupboards and hopefully it will be a much friendlier work environment. Of course it’s maddening now, since one is constantly opening the wrong door looking for something.

We also got a lot of planting done this morning. Tomatoes, lettuce, beets, spinach, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, sweet and hot peppers are all in. Tomorrow we will do corn, beans and probably peas. Squash, summer and winter will go in later as well as chard and a few other odds and ends. Gardens always look so great at this point, clean and tidy. We have been having a lot of trouble with rabbits the last few years so we fence in the cole crops and that does help. The dogs are too lazy to chase anything much. LOL.

On to the news:

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Abby Sweets has a nicemadeleines recipe. That is just a cake-like cookie that is baked in a special formed pan. I doubt you actually need one, but they are available in most high end stores that cater to kitchen wares. This has just that lovely hint of lemon that is so very nice.

I just found this article fascinating and thought you might be interested as well. Margaret McKeehan, a young woman from the South, tells us what sex education was like in her public school. She also relates what she learned from her minister in a similar class. You might be surprised and you might get to thinking. I know I did.

Read about the Creek Civil War, part of the War of 1812 at American Presidents Blog.Andrew Jackson figures in this part of the war. The tribe itself was somewhat split as to whether it wished to drive the whites out or assimilate into their culture. After the battle of Taladaga, Jackson ended up with an orphaned child whom he adopted. It’s a fascinating story.

American Revolution Blog has a great series starting on the founding fathers and faith. I keep telling you of the book review I have to do, and in truth I have about 80% of it done, but this will give you a nice flavor of that upcoming post. He starts with Madison who perhaps was the clearest in his statements of how faith fit into the newborn government.

I’m getting my act together one day this week and making lasagna. This recipe is not what I am doing, but it sure is one that I want to keep in my hip pocket for something very different. It is Eggplant Artichoke Lasagna. A very different kind of lasagna for sure, but a lovely one too. Baking Delights gives us the recipe.

God knows I don’t know how the people of Iraq continue to exist in that hellish environment. Blue Girl, Red State has a post on what is happening to psychiatric care in Baghdad, and it is sickening. The horrifying conditions the doctors work in, the limits of care, all just make one so angry and depressed. It seems the world is full of such utter meanness these days. Has it always been so ugly? I don’t know. It seems worse now, but then again, maybe I just pay better attention.

A nice salad that I would like, and the Contrarian would not is in the offing from Epicurious. It’sAvocado Watercress Salad. I love avocados and the Contrarian does not. He would be okay with the watercress probably. I’ll make it and let him pick out the avocado. Sounds good to me.

Bruce Braley is sure making Iowa proud in his thoroughinvestigation of the Postville raids.He is turning out to be one of the real shining stars among new House members. I wish he was representing me frankly. That is juxtaposed against Latham who has yet to even make a statement from the Republican side of things. Read about his ongoing questions to ICE at Essential Estrogen.

Free Sample Forager has a few new offers. Dove Body Lotion, Mighty Dog Canned food, and Purex Detergent are offered today. Stop by and get your free samples. I must say, I get my offers usually within 3 weeks of filling out the forms, and while all are not so great, I do get one free wash, or use, so hey, over time, it’s worth the few minutes it takes to type in the info.

Dick Morris is a Clinton Admin. reject, sent packing for his sexual indiscretions. He’s hated the Clintons ever since, and is  on board  at Foxy Giggle News as a resident opinionator on political things though he is mostly brain dead. Still he is laughably funny. Inside-Out the Beltwayhas a humorous take on his latest assessment of the proposed Obama/McCain run for the White House. Read it and chuckle along.

The hook said, mind-blowing new Creature found. Well, that caused me to run up the feed quite quickly. Live Sciencehas the story.  Called Y-larvae in the young stage, scientists were able to grow them up into slug-like masses. I have no clue why that is mind-blowing. They seem like parasites, they seem creepy and I don’t like em. Nexxxt.

I heard something to the effect that Karl Rove had concocted some red state/blue state thingie and decided Hillary had a better chance against McCain than Obama. The question is why would I believe anything that came out of the mouth of that so-called genius of the GOP?  Now it seems that the Pillsbury Dough Boy has such a nice deal with Foxy OopsNewsthat nobody seems to realize that he is the errr, campaign adviser to all things McCain, and is simply using his position at Fox to further that enterprise (among other devious things no doubt). Oh well, what would you expect from Fox and Idiots anyway?  And we are learning that we can expect absolutely no morality from the Crooked Mac either. Salon has the story.

Okay, listen up you dairy farmers. You have a new method of making some extra cash. Just advertise and welcome a tour of your barns filled with all those sweet cows to pregnant women! Yep, you should be able to set a fee of say $25 a head for a tour. Okay, I have your interest now, so follow the link and learn how you too can make money without even trying. Science Daily would never steer(haha) you wrong!

This is one that makes you go “whhhaaaat?” I thought that it was against the law to mix religion and state. I wonder how one gets through university with a science degree and an education certificate and then goes this route. One in eight students in America is being taught creationism along side evolution by their teachers, all of this against the law. Read it and weep. What is worse, fake history is also being taught, the type that emanates from David Barton from Wallbuilders–disguised Christian nation stuff. This is so tiresome and so unnecessary.

Jim Webb is sure the up and coming Senator these days. Many are talking that he would be a fine Veep for Obama. The Nation has an excellent post on Senator Webb and I urge you to learn more about this guy. He’s pushing through the New GI bill and giving McCain fits over his opposition.

Ya see, the reason the surge appeared to work is that the US was busy paying off insurgents to not shoot at us.Of course that only created another problem, and of course, they knew that, but hey, they are trying to protect the GOP this election cycle so I guess all is fair in love and errrr war. Course, the expected future has arrived a bit early and it seems Iraq is full of little warlords, all making their demands, just like they do in Afghanistan. The Washington Independent has the story.

Think Progress weighs in on the Rove/Foxy dilemma in this, can you believe the chutzpah?, post onFox accusing MSNBC of blurring the lines between news and commentary. Oh my goodness, I may piddle my panties I’m laughing so hard. Read it and try to keep the tears of laughter from your eyes.

To mulch or not to mulch. I think mulches are great in flower beds, but a pain in veggie gardens, and frankly us rural folks have big gardens and good mulch is prohibitive in terms of cost. But if you have questions about it, Veggie Gardening Tips has a good discussion about it.

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“If life was fair, Elvis would be alive and all the impersonators would be dead.” Johnny Carson

“Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein.” Joe Theisman

“I would rather be a coward than brave because people hurt you when you are brave.” E.M. Forster

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Funny signs from around the world

In a Texas funeral parlor: Ask about our layaway plan.

In a toilet: Toilet out of order. Please use floor below

In the vestry of a New England church: Will the last person to leave please see that the perpetual light is extinguished.

In the window of an Oregon general store: Why go elsewhere to be cheated, when you can come here?

Notice in a field: The farmer allows walkers to cross the field for free, but the bull charges.

On a fence: Salesmen welcome. Dog food is expensive.

On a plumber’s truck: We repair what your husband fixed.

On a Tennessee highway: Take notice: when this sign is under water, this road is impassable.

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And the oldest serving member of Congress, former Klan member Senator Robert Byrd, has endorsed Barack Obama for president. That’s got to make Hillary feel good, huh? Even the Klan guy is going, “I’m gonna go with the black guy.” Jay Leno

Oil is now $125 a barrel, a very, very high price. But if you return the barrel, you get a $2 deposit back. So that’s not so bad.

Ladies and gentlemen, President Bush is back from his trip to the Mideast. And he did accomplish one thing. He found the crystal skull. David Letterman

 John McCain is so old, he can remember when “Saturday Night Live” was actually funny. – Janice Hough, Palo Alto, Calif.

Big Brown’s trainer has admitted that he gives the horse the steroid Winstrol twice a month. That is the easy part. The hard part is getting Brown to hit away from the shift with two strikes. – Marc Ragovin, New York

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